From clamav-users-bounces@lists.clamav.net Sun Dec 18 19:02:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: list@krisma.oltrelinux.com Delivered-To: list@krisma.oltrelinux.com Received: from aj.catt.com (aj.catt.com [64.18.103.6]) by mail.oltrelinux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744E811AE4D for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:02:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from aj.catt.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aj.catt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CCA156026; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anastrophe.com (a.ns.anastrophe.com [64.42.88.65]) by aj.catt.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0801310D2E0 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4954 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 18:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hysterologia.anastrophe.com) (206.176.249.130) by a.mx.anastrophe.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 18:01:40 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051218095248.03adc350@anastrophe.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:01:31 -0800 To: ClamAV users ML From: clamav@anastrophe.com Subject: Re: [Clamav-users] [OT] Top posting is harmful. (Was: Clamd Problem.) In-Reply-To: <20051218173333.5bf5fd05@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <43ea8d070512170148j199f1f49i@mail.gmail.com> <43A435BA.8080206@telkom.net.id> <80D86E2B-399C-4B3F-B4C6-789EA69542A4@daleenterprise.com> <200512172314.10947.kitchen@scriptkitchen.com> <43A582EA.5010407@gmail.com> <20051218173333.5bf5fd05@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-56678F9 X-BeenThere: clamav-users@lists.clamav.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ClamAV users ML List-Id: ClamAV users ML List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: clamav-users-bounces@lists.clamav.net Errors-To: clamav-users-bounces@lists.clamav.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at krisma.oltrelinux.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_50, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: At 09:33 AM 12/18/2005, you wrote: >On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:40:26 -0500 in 43A582EA.5010407@gmail.com Joe >Polk wrote: > > > > Hey, I understand that top-posting or not-posting is really import to > > some people but to go so far as to say it's harmful is a bit of a > > stretch. For some it's just following the natural order of email > > clients, most of which cursor the top. > >They place the cursor at the top to encourage the trimming of the >quoted material, not so that people can just start typing merrily away >without formatting their post correctly. > >The really bad ones also place the sig above the quoted material and >make people think that they should start typing there. The 'natural >order of email clients', as you put it, existed long before a certain >company flooded the market with a client that exposed newcomers to >these bad habits before they had learned from the old-timers the >sensible way of doing things that had been around since the dawn of >email. zat right? back in '86, when i first got on the net (am i an old timer?) i used elm. cursor at the top of replies. i 'top posted' back then sometimes. only since 2000 or so has there been this annoying catterwalling about how 'bad' topposting is. sure, on a mailing list, it can make a difference. i've never had much trouble understanding messages that were top posted though. it's not that huge a cognitive disconnect. i realize the 'is harmful' term goes back to Tom Christensen's famous (infamous?) article "Csh programming considered harmful", and is more a respectful nod to that bit of internet history rather than actually implying that it really is 'harmful'. but, much in line with the mention of old-timers above - not a lot of newcomers are familiar with that article. oof. i'm losing focus. i should never reply before my second cup of coffee. Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com http://www.smileglobal.com http://www.forumgarden.com _______________________________________________ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html